Cadbury Conspiracy

Well, actually that is a slogan I made up yesterday.

"Solidarity" just 'cause it sounds damn good.
Equality - All women and men have equal rights, no matter, gender, sexual orientation, skin color, religion or thoughts.

Work - 100% employment, there DOES NOT exist any unemployment in our communist idealic state.

 

Anyone who has played any of Impressions (or Tilted Mill now) city building games would know this. Caesars I-IV, Zeus, etc. If you have 100% employment, and then you build a Circus Maximus, guess what, you're fucked. Suddenly you don't have enough Plebeians for the clay pits, and you're a little short on Equites for the temples.

 

No it's not.

Later on in your post you change your point to "every action is egoistic" which I agree with. But it does not make Solidarity unnatural. Your own example proves this. If I feel good when I'm nice to other people without gaining anything physically or getting any fame for it, then solidarity is natural.

Solidarity isn't "feeling that the other person is more important". It's feeling that you should be nice to other people, and if you feel better if you are nice to other people, then solidarity is natural.

 

It's still a job. And the workes digging those damn holes can be used for make wires in the soil. Planned economy is the good, because it has no unemployment.

 

Um yeah. And the employed people of the glorious communist country are way more poor compared to the unemployed in capitalist countries.

 

No, I think that planned economy is good, Frigo tried to convince me that planned economy sucks big time. But the problem is that it does not. E.g. in a planned economy all of the normal stuff that you can see in a free market, also exists in a planned economy.

 

Seriously Bree, shut up.

Discussing communism can be good, but it requires two sides, and I try to do my best to defend it when I can be bothered, even though I don't agree with a lot of it, and blinky does too, and someone else I think. I do it just because a bunch of like-minded guys sitting, patting each others back while bashing something that isn't there to defend itself is really sad to see (and annoying if you don't agree with them).

But having you on the same side is just annoying. Have you even tried making a point that doesn't simply negate the post your responding to?

Instead of writing "But the problem is that it does not", you could try writing why it does not, what advantages it has, and some of its problems while arguing that the problems aren't important.

For example you could write:

A planned economy does not suck because it allows more efficiency once you get rid of the corruption, which is to a large degree there even in a free economy. Because everything is centrally planned, the resources can be used in their most effective way, with the government adjusting the infrastructure of the country to allow it.

And there is nothing saying that because countries in the past have used static five year plans, the communists of the future need to do it. One way to do it would be to keep the longer plans, because they do allow for an easier overview of the economy, while allowing adjustments while they are carried out to account for changes in supply and demand.


Xz, if being nice to other people isn't natural, then why do most cultures (I don't know if all do, but I would believe they do (except the nazis of course)) and even some more advanced animals do it?

 

All of those require you learning that it's nice to be nice to people while you grow up (or that it feels good even without learning it). Is that something every culture, no matter how separated geographically, have learnt? And the animals? Then I'm afraid that's what I'd call natural (or genetic). And we agree.

 

Uhm, well, yeah, I didn't quite think on that. But now I am ready for questions! Ask on!

 

Also, this simple truth contradicts the concept of altruism. You're still doing something in the service of others for your own benefit. And, since noone would do something they hate unless they were also getting paid in some way, altruism is a concept that only works on paper. Much like communism...though, that's not exactly a good analogy, since communism doesn't work.

Supply and demand is the basis for ALL economy, so Xz is completely right. The Crank is kinda spewing lukewarm gas. If there was no unemployment, there would be no way to improve the economy.

 

That's amazing, by unilaterally stipulating that all actions have a selfish basis you prove that people never do anything that isn't selfish.

 

Everybody is missing the point - Once people are forced to do 'good', it won't be that good anymore.

 

Yes. Because if you hadn't learned it's good to be nice to people, you wouldn't expect me to understand you did something good, and thus not expect me to pay you back equally, by being nice to you.

Kind of like if you had $100, if you didn't know that it was worth anything, giving it away wouldn't make you expect to get anything back. But since you know it's worth something, you give it to me, assuming I, too, know its value, and you expect me to pay you back.