thread on bf in public

I had problems getting dante the first time and found out from the forum first when you can get him, second how to keep him! Yeah when we returned the taxes back to the king, I didn't want to insult the king with the answer 200 is not enough so I chose the dante was instrumental in getting the taxes back............

Poof dantes gone, I said what the heck (something like that) found out how to keep him after that! Arcanum has quite a few decisions to make during the game.

Parmanian

 

So, are we supposed to memorize every threads on the forum before being allowed to post?

This is getting ridiculous. Your post was misleading, and I wanted confirmation.

Forgive me for not knowing all exploits in the game. I guess I should make a search of "cheesy game exploits" and read them all before interacting with you.

This certainly was not a dumb question like "Whear tnarat!!?!". How about you quit talking about the search function every time someone ask a question? You are spending more energy typing those posts and looking for relevants topics than it would usually take to answear the question, or ignore it.

We were in the middle of a discussion, and I wanted some clarification. When you are talking with one of your real life friend, and he ask you to clarify what you just said, do you ask him to read a book?

I'm really getting pissed off with that "Use the search function" attitude.

I know about the search function, I have used it often. I usually read walkthroughts and help guides before asking my questions, except when I am in a discussion and I want clarification like in this case. I've asked about 5 questions, and none of them could be answeared by reading walkthroughs, FAQS or guides.

 

well it seems like I made a statement about thorvald and you do is come back in and say all he does was leave you! That statement was made as I posted that MOST everyone here knows you can't walk in with him.

You came off on that one....sorry You're not MOST of the listeners!

You mention all you found was how to ABUSE getting followers. I wasn't aware that we were abusing our followers! Thats why they start at certain levels and YOUR job is to get them so they are at your level and they grow with you.

You talk about making 5 posts that you couldn't get an answer from anywhere else. If that was true then you would have got your answer in the post and not some 'didn't you read the previous post'.

Tell yah what.............. just stick around awhile and see for yourself HOW MANY repetitions of the same topic, just worded different. Then you can tell me where to get off. I have helped quite a few members here and even given personal messages about their questions.

So I can live with myself fine......... oh and by the way.......if a friend asked me the same question again and again.... I'd probably tell him to check his notes!

Parmanian

 

I got caried away, sorry for that. But my point still stand, this is getting really annoying.

You misunderstood some of my post. Probably because you got angry too. I'll come back later to explain it.

 

I don't care if you come back or not with the attitude you have.

look back at your other posts and see that I answered every one with helpful hints, it is only the one above that you got so huffy about!

Parmanian

 

You said "its amazing how thorvald doesn't even know where hes at when he gets there! he doesn't seem to know any of his buddies!"

The game is made so that once you take him inside, he leave the group for good. That is what the devs intended. Why do you think he didn't react to anything once you do manage to get him inside?

I was curious as to what you were talking about, as what you had said was opposite to the way the game was intended and your way of abusing the engine to get him inside is not common knowledge to legit players.

Then you went all righteous on me. You are talking about my attitude, but your reply certainly was not very polite. Have you ever heard about diplomacy? Apparently not.

No, I said that some quests npcs were not intended to stay with you past certain points, or stay with you for free. Any such ways are simply abuse of the stupid game engine. The game was not intended for you having 10 npc followers.

No, I said that I asked about 5 or so questions on this forum, before making any of them, I found no help in any Walkthrough, FAQS or help guide.

The only two times I was told to use the search engine was by you. First time was in the thread I linked at the end of this post, and was pointless, as none of the threads that came up in the search were of any use. The second time was this thread, and I certainly don't consider a 42 days old thread on the 5th page to be the "previous post", as you said it.

Tell yah what.............. I visit lots of forums, and am a moderator to one, and I do keep answering the same questions again over and over all the time. And when I don't feel like it, I simply ignore them and let someone else answer.

How many times did I ask you the same question again and again? Never? That's right. So quit telling me to use the search function.

Well... the first one in that thread certainly was not helpfull at all, and was quite insulting. Not only were you insinuating that I didn't know about the search function, you recomended I search for Dwarven, which would have wasted hours of research if I had been stupid enough to make such an unspecific search. None of the thread that came up with a search with a smarter keyword were usefull either.

I didn't mind it, since it was the first time. But here you do it again, it's really getting annoying.

 

you undoubtedly don't know what the developers intended. They are trying to see how you handle different solutions. If it wasn't meant to happen then they would have made sure you couldn't do it, it would have been simple enough and you make them out as jerks.

Tell me why these followers should NOT be free to you in the game if you make the RIGHT decision to do so?

Dog
Dante
Thorvald
Jormond

Go ahead

Why is there options to make with each one of them (except dog, he stays anyway or just let the guy beat him to death) If the options would not come up to change the outcome, then you would not be able to keep them! simple as that!

Just ask the long time players! I can see that someone has a hard head and I won't try to soften it!

 

In my opinion, dog is free as he is mainly an easter egg.

Dante is free so that you can do "his" quest. But he should only have ben free until you bring the gold back tothe king, in my opinion.

There is no reason for Jormond being free. We save lots of other npcs's life, and they still count in the max limit.

Thorvald is different. He is free because you said you are taking him back home. Making him wait outside is ridiculous. He would have to be dumber than a rock to just stand there and not realise he is home. What's even more ridiculous is the way the devs made the detection script once you get in the mine. It should not have been linked to the guard's speech. I personally would have made a timer so that if you take too long to take him home, he leave. But once you get home, I would have made an option to ask him to keep traveling with you, but counting him in the max number of followers.

If there is an npc that should probably be free, that should probably be Virgil.

 

No I think it should be Gar cause you bought him. STOP COMPLAINING THAT ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THE GROUP. I AM YOUR MASTER. I BOUGHT YOU AND I CAN BREAK YOU.

 

True, unless you convinced the guy to let him leave for free.

Of course Gar don't need to know that...

 

actually I have 14 followers right now. 10 in the party and 4 waiting. With 20 cha, they seem to wait months for you (I suppose thats a flaw also)

Games are meant to be figured out and not just played. The more you play the more you figure out.

Take the gods quest: You know they exist but you don't know where there at. Why you think that? When you figure the type of altar you're looking for will usually give you and area to search, but you have to raom the countryside to find them.

Its all in the game.

Parmanian

 

Them waiting for months is not a bug, it's on purpose. You are so charismatic you could be a cult leader. They'll wait until the end of time for you.

I agree that the game should be explored, but only as long as you stay in the spirit of the game. Once you start playing with the rules, you are not really playing anymore, it's more like playing dices with loaded dices.

Of course, that's only my opinion. Some people really like to powergame and don't mind breaking the rules. To each his own.

I'm personally a roleplaying powergamer. I'll do anything as long as it can be explained in the game, as an example, staying in a shopkeeper's room until he go to sleep is not. Nobody would tolerate that. I also won't keep Thorvald after visiting the Wheel Clan, he is not stupid, he would not just wait outside and not see his home. I could just make him wait somewhere else, but then why would he keep exploring dungeons with me if all he really want is to go home? He know the way. If I have no interest in helping him, he should leave.

 

what you fail to see is that he was stuck on that isle for so long he would say anything to get off of it and you persuaded him to leave. He doesn't even care that loghaire joins the group later and I give harrow back to loghaire.

BUT

Loghaire knows that raven is with you!

parmanian

 

You probaly took Thorvald's glasses so he can't see the entrance and the shopkeepers are either too tired to notice, too lazy to tell you not to follow him or nearsighted.

 

I really doubt every shopkeepers in the world are tired lazy and nearsighted.

It's really simple to get inside a building in the night anyway. There's really no reasons to abuse the engine. You don't even need lockpick. Just bash a window.

 

tough to bash a JAMMED window without making a lot of noise!

Parmanian

 

I was In Tarant and about 7-8 step away from a guard and I was wearing that electrical platemail armor that add 70 to noises. I pulled out my hand canon, destroyed the window, and the guard didn't even react.

And no, he is not bugged, he would suicide himself against me if I tried to lockpick the door.


Edit: I wasn't sneaking, either.

 

some of the guards are deaf..................didn't you know that!

Parmanian

 

I heard from my friend stone throw works infact thats how he saw Thorvald