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  1. carlstar

    carlstar New Member

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    wha

    You are kidding right

    or

    what propaganda have you been listening to. Iraq with an actual nuke. Give them a few more years and maybe but no.
    It may be possible for them to have dirty nukes but that would be all and they just arn't that powerful. Those Thermo bombs used in afganistan are probably more powerful but then they are almost as powerful as a tactical nuclear missile.
    The range of there missiles are limited to only most of the middle east and thats it. You've got to realise that its easier to make a nuke than make an inter-continental ballistic missile, the sort USA, Russia and a few Eropean countries have came about in the 70s and 80s so are quite new. Thats why the Cuban missile crisis was bad for USA because they didn,t have misslies in a stationary position that could destroy half the enemy with.

    Iraq doesn't have the aircraft, ship or subs to deliver them. Well they may and could but you have to control the sea and air to do that and they dont and they don't have invisible subs and planes or super heroes.
    They could always get one delivered to USA but how the hell do you do that. All air traffic in and around the USA is moniterd from inside a mountain in what used to be a Cold war military bunker. So i guess the best thing would be to try and get a boat in there but i have a feeling the coast guard and USA navy may try and stop an unidentified vessel.
    The only way i can see Iraq nuking There enemy is if they build one in there enemies countires but they haven't even built one in their own country.
    Read the Dossier the Brits released and see how they dance around everything.
    People give to much credit to a little dictator with no power outside his country. Iraq isnt Nazi Germany or cold war foe USSR with technology and numbers to do anything.


    That was a rather large rant wasn't it. carry on.
     
  2. bryant1380

    bryant1380 New Member

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    I agree with carlstar. With everything except that we give him too much credit.

    But about the nuke capability part, you're right. China, Red China, only now has ICBM's that only reach about mid-way across the US. I'm sure that will change, though.....
     
  3. Hel Khat

    Hel Khat New Member

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    I heard that! :asshole:
    (Sorry Luchaire I had to edit this post cause I've been DIEING to use this smilely so don't be offended K? 0:) )

    Oh and carl is correct but if they get a hold of anymore of our airplanes it will be hell. Imagine the damage a fully fueled 747 or 727 with a dirty bomb inside would do to any American city :(

    Checkout this link! Now this IS scary:

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... 2b9jd.html
     
  4. Sheriff Fatman

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    Yes, that story is all over the news here today. Very disturbing. It does explain why Tony Blair - ex CND member - is advocating a hard line, I suppose. It could also be the answer to Milo's "Why now?" question if the US government have similar intelligence.
     
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    well the speed in which event happen is than lot quickly today, it took 120 to 150 years before the Western Rome Empire to fall. It would mostly likely take less time for the America Empire to fall.
     
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    Yeah well it won't be in "our" lifetime I assure you that.... :thumbup:
     
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    I wouldnot count on that I feel it going to happen alot sooner than some people think.
     
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    CharlesBeOff, lemme ask you something. Exactly how much is a dillion?
     
  9. Sheriff Fatman

    Sheriff Fatman Active Member

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    It's a number known in certain academic circles¹ as "Hoffs' constant (single-minded promotion of his religious agenda)" and it approximates to 2.5




















    ¹My head
     
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    [quote="Hel Khat]
    Oh and carl is correct but if they get a hold of anymore of our airplanes it will be hell. Imagine the damage a fully fueled 747 or 727 with a dirty bomb inside would do to any American city.
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    Actually, a dirty bomb, the kind that they talk about in the news, wouldn't do much more damage than a regular bomb of it's size. They hype up this "dirty bomb" thing. You would have to fill about 2 semi's full of radioactive material to get enough to do some real harm to the population. The problem is that when you blow it up it spreads out. The more you spread it out, the less harmful it is. Therefore a "dirty bomb" is more of a radiation threat before it is exploded.
     
  11. Hel Khat

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    OIC :) Thanks for the explanation. 3:)

    So does that mean that one of those "suitcase" type dirty bombs would only do a small amount of damage? Also if they were to use one of the "suitcase" type bombs on a plane is it likely the heat would eat up the radiation? If so would the same apply for a chemical or bio type weapon in the same situation?
    :thinkof:
     
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    Whatever Mr. Hoff is smoking, I think he should share with the rest of us.
     
  13. Hel Khat

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    No you don't cause Crack Kills! :dead:
     
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    Even I'd have to agree with that one! :puke:
     
  16. carlstar

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    dillion is what

    eeekkk

    But on a higher more brain like level.
    The possibility for a empire to fall these days is huge. It could happen today or in the next 500 years. Now that people have opinions and the freedom to express them it is harder for anyone in power. One mistake and Bam, Herpies, i mean its over.

    Dirty bombs have that lingering effect that scares the stinky stuff out of people but its true, you are more at risk from chemical and biological attacks from terrorist groups as they are just easier to transport, use and make. Iraq for one love bio and chem warfare. You just can't stop them from making the stuff.

    Hel Khat: Stop implying that iraq had anything to do with the attack on USA. There has been no evidence just xenophobic guessing. Again i say show the rest of the world if you have the evidence and if you do have it then forget support from allies because damming evidence such as that should already be out in the open, not hidden away in some scared of change republicans desk.

    45 minutes and Iraq is ready for war. A couple of hours and the USA are ready for war with their 20 000 standing army in the area. The scary thing is that they would probably take iraq, a country with 23 million or about .0000023 dillion or something like that.
     
  17. Hel Khat

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    First please don't misquote me that quote was meant for Luchaire's post and not to be used as part of this debate :(

    Second I guess it's only fair when I ask to see proof of so called "slant drilling" and Proof that a former President of my country set Saddam up that you should ask me to prove what I KNOW is true but can not prove. So you have me there but if you think a lack of such proof is going to make me belief that Saddam and Mother Theresa are one in the same well that's not happening. :roll:

    I hope these inspections work out and I wish my current president would stop fanning the fires until we get a chance to see if they work :x

    I am not saying I am 100% correct I wonder to myself:

    What if Kuwait was slant drilling for the Bushes? (what if they still are?)

    What if Bush Sr. did set up Saddam?

    What if Bush Jr KNEW about what was going to happen to the WTC and let it happen (It is kind of "miraculous" that only 3000 people died in buildings that should have held close to 50,000 people at that time in the morning) to further the long term war plans of his family in a bid for Iraqi oil?

    Then how would I feel about statements that I have made?

    I wonder these things but then I remember the fact that no one Tricked Saddam into invading Iran and no one Forced Saddam to invade Kuwait, even if he did get a "green light" he could have tried harder with diplomacy first and made a case for invation with the UN B4 doing so. I also remember all the sick soliders that came back from Desert Storm and I think of how Saddam Bombed Israel during Desert Storm. I remember these things and think that if he was manipulated by my Government it was only his own evil nature that made it easy to do, he has only himself to blame for the situation he has put his people in. I also remember Mr. Blairs speech today (regarding history and trying to use diplomacy to appease dictators) and I sleep a little better (not much) at night.....
     
  18. carlstar

    carlstar New Member

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    Nasty

    The thing wtih diplomacy is that you have to be 100% sure or you are in for big trouble afterwards. I wouldn't discount anything when it comes to saddam. He killed 1000 people in a security force because 1 or 2 were possibly disloyal and how about this Human Rights; individual testimony

    "I saw a friend of mine, al-Shaikh Nasser Taresh al-Saidi, naked. He was handcuffed and a piece of wood was placed between his elbows and his knees. Two ends of the wood were placed on two high chairs and al-Shaikh Nasser was being suspended like a chicken. This method of torture is known as al-Khaygania (a reference to a former security director known as al- Khaygani). An electric wire was attached to al-Shaikh Nassers penis and another one attached to one of his toes. He was asked if he could identify me and he said "this is al-Shaikh Yahya".They took me to another room and then after about 10 minutes they stripped me of my clothes and a security officer said "the person you saw has confessed against you".He said to me "You followers of [Ayatollah] al-Sadr have carried out acts harmful to the security of the country and have been distributing anti-government statements coming from abroad". He asked if I have any contact with an Iraqi religious scholar based in Iran who has been signing these statements. I said "I do not have any contacts with him. I was then left suspended in the same manner as al-Shaikh al-Saidi. My face was looking upward. They attached an electric wire on my penis and the other end of the wire is attached to an electric motor. One security man was hitting my feet with a cable. Electric shocks were applied every few minutes and were increased. I must have been suspended for more than an hour. I lost consciousness. They took me to another room and made me walk even though my feet were swollen from beating. They repeated this method a few times.
    (Source: Amnesty International, testimony from an Iraqi theology student from Saddam City)

    The question is do we as outsiders of a country have the right to act, say by force and if so why not against China too as there are alot of comparisons.
     
  19. CharlesBHoff

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    I was born with than damage center and a hear loss than hearing certain sound different. I alway miss up the d and b unless I caught myself.
    All I meant is America have problem of itself at home to take care of before we start mind over nation bussien. It about time the america government take care of it own people first before taken care of people in other countries.
    Than suitcase nuclear bomd isnot than dirtry bomb but than advance nulear bomb of than yeild uo to 250 thousand tons of TnT that fit in than
    average beifcase than person can carry an it is design to be undetectable by
    nuclear material dector.
    Dirtry bomb are being hype too much by the media as than disinfromation
    by our government from the real threat to our government which is the truth
    that the United State Government is on stakely financal ground our true total debt is over 15 trillion dollors than growning.
     
  20. CharlesBHoff

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    We tourte people in America to so we couldnot say anything. How many Native people did we tourte in our past than about the rotine police beating to
    get than confression in our past . Other nations look at us than see we are hiccupe .
     
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